It’s been a busy week at the International Criminal Court where appeals judges ruled on two cases. They confirmed both the conviction and 30-year-setence for Congolese militia leader Bosco Ntaganda and the acquittal of former Ivory Coast president Laurent Gbagbo and his ally Charles Blé Goudé.

With both the longest sentence in the ICC confirmed and its highest ranking accused so far definitively set free, Janet and Stephanie caught up with each other at the ICC media centre to talk through the rulings.

To help us clear up some of the finer points of the Ntaganda ruling and the impact his definitive conviction has on the jurisprudence of sexual crimes at the court, Janet spoke with Rosemary Grey , lecturer at Sydney Law School.

We also called on Elies van Sliedregt , professor at Leeds Law School –who keen listeners will know from Episode 15, our deep dive into modes of liability — to talk about the vexed subject of indirect co-perpetration which has come up in many cases, including Ntaganda.

After a short detour to Mali where the Trust Fund for Victims held a ceremony for symbolic reparations for victims in Timbuktu, Janet and Stephanie turn finally to the Gbagbo case which ended with extremely critical remarks against the prosecution.

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