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Justice Update – Sarah Kasande on Ongwen at the ICC
Justice Update – Please Appeal Me
Justice Update – Reparations Reality
Justice Update – Myanmar on our Minds
Justice Update – Israel Palestine and the ICC
Justice Update – New ICC Prosecutor Elected
Episode 36 – Bringing up the Bodies
Justice Update – First LRA verdict
Justice Update – Podcasters United!
The Prosecutor Files: Robert Petit
Justice Update – Aussie Rules
The Prosecutor Files: Fergal Gaynor
The Prosecutor Files: Richard Roy
Justice Update – Double K: Kenya and Kosovo back in The Hague
Episode 31 – Jihad and Gender in Mali
Justice Update – ICC omnishambles
Episode 30 – Calling Kosovo with Una Hajdari
Justice Update – Myanmar and more
Episode 29 – The Activist Lawyer with Nadja Houben and Victor Fokke
Episode 28 – Private Investigations with Nerma Jelacic
Justice Update – The First in Many Ways
Justice Update – Legal Contortions
Justice Update – The Heat is On
Justice Update – High Noon at the ICC
Justice Update – Darfur case at last?
Justice Update – Prisoners’ Dilemma
Justice Update – A Small Town in Germany
Episode 23 – Perceptions of Evil with Kjell Anderson
Justice Update – Lockdown Podcast Recommendations
Justice Update – End of the road for Ongwen trial
Episode 19 – Europe’s dirty hands with Miriam Saage-Maaß
Justice Update: Is Sudan’s Bashir ICC-bound?
Justice Update : Please, Release Me Unconditionally
Episode 17 – Uncomfortable Justice with Lisa Clifford
Justice Update – Myanmar hit for six at the ICJ
Justice Update – Culture & Conflict
Episode 15 – All the way to the top with Elies van Sliedregt
Justice Update – Holiday Haircuts
Justice Update – ICJ and Myanmar Genocide
Justice Update – A primer for the Myanmar case with Jens and Joe
Menu – The ASP Series
Justice Update – Dessert at the ASP
Justice Update – Dinner at the ASP
Justice Update – Lunch at the ASP
Justice Update – Breakfast at the ASP
Episode 13 – Double Standards with Carla Ferstman
Episode 12 – Genocide and Gender with Akila Radhakrishnan
Justice Update – Congo, Ukraine and Russia
Episode 11 – The Attraction of the World Court with Priya Pillai
Episode 10 – Sabine Nolke: Maple Leaf Diplomacy
Episode 8 – JJ Wangui lets victims speak
Justice Update – CAR II: Redacted
Episode 7 – Justice via the backdoor with Kevin Jon Heller
Justice Update – A busy week in court
Episode 6 – Dogs of War with Iva Vukusic
Justice Update – Back to School
Justice Update – Cake and Courts
Episode 4 – Perp Talk with Barbora Hola
Episode 3 – Only human, judges at the ICC
Episode 1 – Justice on the Cheap, with Celeste Hicks
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Episode 29 – The Activist Lawyer with Nadja Houben and Victor Fokke
Episode 28 – Private Investigations with Nerma Jelacic
Episode 23 – Perceptions of Evil with Kjell Anderson
Episode 19 – Europe’s dirty hands with Miriam Saage-Maaß
Episode 17 – Uncomfortable Justice with Lisa Clifford
Episode 15 – All the way to the top with Elies van Sliedregt
Episode 13 – Double Standards with Carla Ferstman
Episode 12 – Genocide and Gender with Akila Radhakrishnan
Episode 11 – The Attraction of the World Court with Priya Pillai
Episode 10 – Sabine Nolke: Maple Leaf Diplomacy
Episode 8 – JJ Wangui lets victims speak
Episode 7 – Justice via the backdoor with Kevin Jon Heller
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- The Prosecutor Files: Robert Petit
- The Prosecutor Files: Fergal Gaynor
- The Prosecutor Files: Richard Roy
- Justice Update – The Heat is On
- Episode 7 – Justice via the backdoor with Kevin Jon Heller
- Episode 6 – Dogs of War with Iva Vukusic
- Episode 3 – Only human, judges at the ICC
- Episode 2 – It’s not about the money, says Lorraine Smith van Lin
- Episode 1 – Justice on the Cheap, with Celeste Hicks
- Episode 0 – Sharon Stone & the Haircut of International Justice
All episodes old to new
Episode 0 – Sharon Stone & the Haircut of International Justice
Welcome to our podcast, in this introduction we explain who we are, what we want with the podcast and how we got our name
Episode 1 – Justice on the Cheap, with Celeste Hicks
We discuss the trial of former Chadian dictator Hissene Habre with journalist Celeste Hicks
Episode 2 – It’s not about the money, says Lorraine Smith van Lin
We speak with Lorainne Smith van Lin of Redress about reparations for victims at the ICC and why the process is taking so long
Episode 3 – Only human, judges at the ICC
There has been a lot of talk about judges at the ICC this year. We sit down to talk you through the different controversies and have insights from a former ICC judge.
Episode 4 – Perp Talk with Barbora Hola
We sit down with criminologist Barbora Hola to talk about perpetrators and life after sentencing at international courts
Episode 5 – All the different ways of getting justice for MH17 with Marieke de Hoon
Marieke de Hoon talks us through all the different legal avenues for getting justice for the victims of flight MH17 shot down over Ukraine in 2014
Justice Update – Cake and Courts
We take a short break from other reporting duties to talk about India versus Pakistan at the International Court of Justice and celebrate the first two weeks of having the Asymmetrical Haircuts podcast up and running.
Justice Update – Back to School
We’re back from the break and introducing our new Justice Update format where Janet and Stephanie talk current developments in the courts
Episode 6 – Dogs of War with Iva Vukusic
For our delve into paramilitaries and the former Yugoslavia, Iva and her research assistant Joy, took us on a walk in a cemetery in The Hague.
Justice Update – A busy week in court
Janet calls Stephanie to see what’s been going on with the Lebanon Tribunal, the Gbagbo case at the ICC and the a case about alleged Israeli war crimes in a Dutch court
Episode 7 – Justice via the backdoor with Kevin Jon Heller
One of our favourite journalist-friendly academics, Kevin Jon Heller, joins us to discuss both ICC jurisdiction and blockbuster legal dramas.
Justice Update – CAR II: Redacted
Stephanie and Janet talk through the ICC confirmation of charges hearing for the Central African Republic II case
Episode 8 – JJ Wangui lets victims speak
Janet goes AWOL and interviews another woman with an asymmetrical haircut. Kenyan journalist JJ Wangui who lets victims of sexual violence tell their stories
Episode 9 – Superstar Lawyers with Melinda Taylor, Mylène Dimitri and Marie-Hélène Proulx
Janet and Stephanie talk fair trial rights with the three top female defence counsel at the ICC: Melinda Taylor, Mylène Dimitri and Marie-Hélène Proulx
Episode 10 – Sabine Nolke: Maple Leaf Diplomacy
We try to get the low down on who could be the next ICC prosecutor from the very diplomatic Sabine Nolke, chair of the committee looking for a new ICC prosecutor
Episode 11 – The Attraction of the World Court with Priya Pillai
We’re taking a closer look at the kind of highly-charged cases the International Court of Justice has been getting more and more of.
Justice Update – Congo, Ukraine and Russia
Janet and Stephanie catch up after Ntaganda sentence at the ICC and the World Court ruling it can look at the Ukraine versus Russia case
Episode 12 – Genocide and Gender with Akila Radhakrishnan
On the day of Gambia’s historic filing with the ICJ to ask Myanmar to ‘stop the genocide of the Rohingya’ Janet and Stephanie talk to Akila Radhakrishnan of the Global Justice Center
Episode 13 – Double Standards with Carla Ferstman
Janet and Stephanie explore the U.K.’s investigation into alleged war crimes committed in Iraq by British forces and the ICC probe into the same crimes with Carla Ferstman and hear from the UK’s director of service prosecutions Andrew Cayley
Episode 14 – ICC Con comes to town with Liz Evenson, Amal Nassar and Alix Vuillemin Grendel
To prepare for the the International Criminal Court’s assembly of state parties (ASP) Janet and Stephanie sit down with NGO representatives Liz Evenson, Amal Nasser and Alix Vuillemin Grendel to hear about the big issues at the ICC’s annual get-together
Justice Update – Breakfast at the ASP
There’s plenty to cover at the ICC’s annual meeting. Janet and Stephanie recap the first day.
Justice Update – Lunch at the ASP
Stephanie and Janet talk about whether judges will allow the ICC prosecutor to open an investigation in Afghanistan, which could open the way to tackle CIA torture programmes.
Justice Update – Dinner at the ASP
Janet and Stephanie catch up on the buzz around ecocide and environmental crimes
Justice Update – Dessert at the ASP
Janet and Stephanie wrap up the annual meeting of the International Criminal Court – the ASP – with help from Emma Bakkum of PILPG, who has been monitoring discussions about a new strategic review.
Menu – The ASP Series
Welcome! During the 18th edition of the Assembly of State Parties in The Hague we created a menu of content for all those international justice junkies with a big appetite,…
Justice Update – A primer for the Myanmar case with Jens and Joe
What people don’t get about International Court of Justice – the ICJ – mechanisms – for those following the Myanmar genocide case.
Justice Update – ICJ and Myanmar Genocide
This has been extraordinary week at the International Court of Justice where lawyers argued about Gambia’s request for provisional measures against Myanmar under the Genocide Convention to protect the Rohingya muslim minority.
Justice Update – Holiday Haircuts
The Haircuts celebrate this holiday season with self-indulgence and a dose of self-mockery. Plus intern Hannah gives some super recommendations on what to watch and listen to.
Episode 15 – All the way to the top with Elies van Sliedregt
How can you prosecute military and civilian leaders for atrocity crimes? Leeds University professor Elies van Sliedregt helps unravel ‘modes of liability’ for genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity at international criminal tribunals
Justice Update – Culture & Conflict
Why is targeting cultural heritage a war crime? In the midst of the Iran – US conflict, international lawyer Polina Levina explains.
Episode 16 – Born Activists with Wai Wai Nu, Yasmin Ullah and Myra Dahgaypaw
Myanmar activists explain why they do their work and what it’s like behind the scenes explaining The Hague to victim communities.
Justice Update – Myanmar hit for six at the ICJ
Stephanie and Janet chat with Priya Pillai and Melanie O’Brien about the ICJ’s order of emergency measures against Myanmar in the Rohingya genocide case
Episode 17 – Uncomfortable Justice with Lisa Clifford
Lisa Clifford uses the story of DRC convicted war criminal Germain Katanga to explore punishment at the ICC and forgiveness from victims.
Justice Update : Please, Release Me Unconditionally
Stephanie catches Janet up on the case of former Ivory Coast president Laurent Gbagbo who wants the ICC to lift all restrictions on his release
Justice Update: Is Sudan’s Bashir ICC-bound?
This week it appeared that ousted Sudanese president Omar al-Bashir might be transferred to The Hague to face charges of crimes against humanity and genocide for his army’s crackdown in Darfur.
Janet and Stephanie talk through the latest developments.
Episode 18 – Afghanistan and the U.S. war on terror with Katherine Gallagher
Katherine Gallagher has been arguing that the ICC should investigate alleged war crimes in Afghanistan. Her clients passed through Afghanistan and are currently held at Guantanamo Bay. The ICC investigation could target U.S. military personnel, as well as Afghan government forces and the Taliban.
Episode 19 – Europe’s dirty hands with Miriam Saage-Maaß
Is it possible to get accountability for alleged war crimes in Yemen? Could European arms exporters be held responsible for the damage their bombs have done?
Justice Update – End of the road for Ongwen trial
Sharon Nakandha, transitional justice expert, explains how communities in northern Uganda see the trial of LRA commander Dominic Ongwen at the ICC. ,
Episode 20 – Kosovo’s zombie court comes to life with Maj Grasten
It’s alive! We finally got around to talking all things Kosovo court with Maj Grasten from Copenhagen Business School
Episode 21 – Tipping the power balance with Alix Vuillemin and Dieneke de Vos
Our first live podcast with Alix Vuillemin and Dieneke de Vos on sexual harassment in international institutions #IWD2020.
Justice Update – Lockdown Podcast Recommendations
Most of the world is in some form of restriction of movement because of COVID-19, so here are a variety of podcasts to while away the hours.
Episode 22 – Calling starvation what is is, with Catriona Murdoch
Starving people to win a war is a crime. But what kind of evidence is needed to prosecute it? Barrister Catriona Murdoch explains.
Episode 23 – Perceptions of Evil with Kjell Anderson
Janet and Stephanie sit down with Kjell Anderson to talk about perpetrators and genocide and the myths that surround both
Justice Update – A Small Town in Germany
A German court in Koblenz is hearing a landmark crimes against humanity case against two people alleged to be former Syrian intelligence officials. We spoke to Balkees Jarrah and Sara Kayyali from HRW on this huge news of the first time the Syrian state apparatus is on trial.
Episode 24 – The Incredible Shrinking Court with Misha Plagis and Alice Banens
A couple of countries have said they are going to withdraw from a part of the African Court on Human and Peoples’ Rights. What is it and Why does it matter? ? Misha Plagis and Alice Banens fill us in.
Justice Update – Where Will Rwanda’s Genocide Financier Be Tried?
Felicien Kabuga, on the run for 25 years and one of the few last alleged masterminds of the 1994 Rwandan genocide has been arrested, but where will he face trial?
Justice Update – Prisoners’ Dilemma
Sabrina Mahtani has been monitoring worldwide what’s been happening to prisoners. And, despite the obvious dangers they face in confined spaces, she sees the positive developments being driven by this Covid-19 crisis.
Episode 25 – Victims’ Day in Court with Liesbeth Zegveld
Dutch human rights lawyer Liesbeth Zegveld discusses how she manages to get the state to pay compensation to victims of war crimes.
Justice Update – Darfur case at last?
Janet and Stephanie catch up with Amal Nassar of FIDH to talk about the long wait for ICC Darfur cases after one of the fugitives hands himself in to the court
Episode 26 – High Moral Character with Danya Chaikel, Diane Marie Amann and Priya Pillai
Janet and Stephanie talk through the upcoming election for a new ICC prosecutor with three fabulous women commentators Diane Marie Amman, Danya Chaikel, Priya Pillai.
Justice Update – High Noon at the ICC
An Executive Order by US president Donald Trump threatens sanctions on investigators and more at the International Criminal Court
Justice Update – The Heat is On
Who will be the next ICC prosecutor? Chair of the selection committee for candidates Sabine Nolke discusses how they made their choice of four people.
Episode 27- Srebrenica 25: Genocide and Denial with Iva Vukusic, Jennifer Trahan and Hikmet Karcic
On the eve of the 25th anniversary of the Srebrenica genocide Janet and Stephanie sit down with Iva Vukusic, Jennifer Trahan and Hikmet Karcic to talk the legacy of the Yugoslavia tribunal and revisionism in Bosnia
Justice Update – Legal Contortions
How can the ICC take on alleged crimes against the Uighur Muslim community when China is not a member and would it be a good idea?
Justice Update – The First in Many Ways
Janet and Stephanie take a break from their break to ask Shannon Raj Singh about the upcoming judgement at the Special Tribunal for Lebanon
Episode 28 – Private Investigations with Nerma Jelacic
Private investigators collected evidence of atrocity crimes in places like Syria. Nerma Jelacic of CIJA explains what’s happening to that evidence now.
Episode 29 – The Activist Lawyer with Nadja Houben and Victor Fokke
Can one person make such a big impact on the world? Sir Nigel Rodley was an activist lawyer. We talk about a documentary inspiring audiences on human rights.
Justice Update – Myanmar and more
Fresh developments at both ICC and ICJ on Myanmar, in discussion with Priya Pillai. Plus US sanctions against the ICC prosecutor.
Episode 30 – Calling Kosovo with Una Hajdari
Janet and Stephanie call Kosovo journalist Una Hajdari to see what the view from Pristina is on a busy few weeks with the first Kosovo court arrests
Justice Update – ICC omnishambles
Stephanie and Janet offer a smorgasbord of commentators to talk about all things ICC: the upcoming elections, the expert review and the U.S. sanctions
Episode 31 – Jihad and Gender in Mali
How gender crimes feature at the trial of a Malian jihadist at the International Criminal Court for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Justice Update – Double K: Kenya and Kosovo back in The Hague
Catch up with what’s happening at the Kosovo tribunal and in a Kenya bribery case at the ICC.
Episode 32 – The Justice of Absence with Ilaria Zavoli and Natalie von Wistinghausen
Are trials in absentia fair? What’s it like to represent a client who you can’t talk to? Like at the Lebanon tribunal. We discuss with Natalie von Wistinghausen and Ilarai Zavoli.
The Prosecutor Files: Richard Roy
It’s the biggest job in international justice: prosecutor of the ICC. Who will the next one be? Janet and Stephanie talk to candidate Richard Roy.
The Prosecutor Files: Fergal Gaynor
It’s the biggest job in international justice: prosecutor of the ICC. Who will the next one be? Janet and Stephanie talk to the candidate Fergal Gaynor
Justice Update – Aussie Rules
A new official report says that that Australian soldiers committed war crimes in Afghanistan. All of the victims were either civilians or prisoners of war. Rawan Arraf who heads the Australian Centre for International Justice explains what happens next.
Episode 33 – Universal Jurisdiction Close Up with Sarah Finnin and Patrick Kroker
What barriers do victims of international crimes still face in getting access to justice in Europe? Srah Finnan from FIDH and Patrick Kroker from ECCHR fill us in on the obstacles.
Justice Update – Are Preliminary Examinations at ICC working? (extended lockdown/holiday remix)
How is the ICC using its opportunity to keep states under tabs and push them to domestic prosecutions of war crimes? We talk to Patryk Labuda about the prosecutor not going ahead with allegations of UK war crimes in Iraq.
The Prosecutor Files: Robert Petit
Janet and Stephanie kick off 2021 with another interview for our Prosecutor Files series. We talked to Robert Petit, one of the five additional candidates for ICC prosecutor
Justice Update – Podcasters United!
It’s a New Year, full of possibilities and new podcasts. Janet and Stephanie outline some plans and chat to other podcasters.
Episode 34 – Distant Diplomacy with Milena Sterio and Maria Elena Vignoli
What happened at the ICC annual meeting? Milena Sterio and Maria Elena Vignoli analyse the covid-affected annual jamboree.
Episode 35 – Victims and the ICC Alphabet Soup with Lorraine Smith van Lin
Reparations expert Lorraine Smith van Lin shares expert views with us from a fascinating discussion into what needs to change at the ICC for victims.
Justice Update – First LRA verdict
Former Ugandan rebel commander Dominic Ongwen is found guilty. Horrendous crimes. But his former child soldier status fascinates commentators.
Episode 36 – Bringing up the Bodies
How should we investigate mass graves? Kathryne Bomberger from the ICMP and the UN’s Agnes Callamard join us with a zoom audience to discuss the challenges facing states and victims’ families.
Justice Update – New ICC Prosecutor Elected
Karim Khan has been elected prosecutor of the ICC. What does the international justice community make of him?
Episode 37 – Liberian Truths with Massa Emilia Washington and Emmanuelle Marchand
War crimes committed in the Liberian civil war is now being litigated via universal jurisdiction trials. Journalist Massa Washington and Emmanuelle Marchand from Civitas Maxima discuss universal jurisdiction cases in Switzerland and Finland.
Justice Update – Israel Palestine and the ICC
Janet and Stephanie pick through the ICC prosecutor’s announcement that she will open a formal probe into war crimes committed in the Palestinian territories with Chantal Meloni, Sharon Weill and Yael Ronen.
Justice Update – Myanmar on our Minds
Janet and Stephanie talk to Yasmin Ullah, Laetitia van Assum and Mike Becker about the impact of the Myanmar coup on accountability efforts for crimes against Rohingya
Episode 38 – Genocide Gap with Melanie O’Brien and Ewelina Ochab
Melanie O’Brien and Ewelina Ochab talk through the evidence of Uighur genocide in the western region of Xinjiang, denied by China. And states’ responses and responsibilities.
Justice Update – Reparations Reality
Karine Bonneau of the Global Survivors Fund discusses the realistic prospects for reparations for Yezidi sexual violence survivors in Iraq and beyond, and Ntaganda’s victims in the DRC.
Justice Update – Please Appeal Me
Appeals judgments ar a chance to look at the bigger picture of legal developments at the ICC – Janet and Stephanie discuss Ntaganda sexual and gender-based crimes and modes of liability, and Gbagbo acquittal.
Episode 39 – Cinema Srebrenica with Alma Mustafic and Emir Suljagic
The Srebrenica massacre is the subject of a highly acclaimed movie Quo vadis, Aida?. We discuss with Alma Mustafić and Emir Suljagić, who were both there, how such a film helps define the image we have of a mass atrocity.
Justice Update – Sarah Kasande on Ongwen at the ICC
Janet and Stephanie talk to Sarah Kasande about what victim communities in northern Uganda made of Dominic Ongwen’s two hour statement to the ICC ahead of his sentencing
Episode 40 – Truth-seeking in Ireland with Maeve O’Rourke and Mary Harney
Away from war crimes Janet and Stephanie look at advocacy for justice, truth and reparations in Ireland where thousands of unmarried women were forced into mother and baby homes run by the church or the state.